Curse

Masmar · Sep 24, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

I'm not gunna lie, they clearly nerfed it so people couldnt use some classes to farm grog

darque blood · Sep 24, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Anything else in the update? Or was it just MoR?

nitetime · Sep 24, 2009, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

the MoR change to the PvE side was unintentional, now its been reverted.

Did you guys skip over this post or just don't believe it?

Dzjudz · Sep 24, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Just before Halloween/Wintersday SF will get nerfed only to be unnerfed the week after the event, mark my words

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tuna-fish_sushi · Sep 24, 2009, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

This really blows my mind. People whine abour MoR and so it gets changed a week later. People have whined for years about SF and still nothing is done. It is just as simple as nerfing the god damn skill out of existance, it should not exist. People are able to run ELITE DUNGEONS ON ONE CHARACTER. Argh, if people are so bad as to really quit the game if it gets nerfed then good ridance, I don't want these skill-less failures in the game anyway.

Obviously the MoR nerf tells us one thing. Whine and you will recieve.

That is because no one (PVE players) was against reverting it back to its original form.

However in SF argument there are a lot of people on either side of the debate.

philo · Sep 24, 2009, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Thank you, Live Team, for a fast and fair reaction.

Chocobo1 · Sep 24, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi

That is because no one (PVE players) was against reverting it back to its original form.

However in SF argument there are a lot of people on either side of the debate.

There were a few eg the people who were decent enough at the game to not need a blanket NO INTERUPTZ LOL skill.

jonnieboi05 · Sep 24, 2009, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by nitetime

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

the MoR change to the PvE side was unintentional, now its been reverted.

Did you guys skip over this post or just don't believe it?

I believe so. The "nerf" was completely made by mistake when in reality it was meant to be split into PvE/P. I lol @ people who keep saying "whiners got it reverted" when Arena.Net stated last update it was an error on their part. Good fail @ people blaming "whiners".

WTB less closed-minded and moar fact-based comments!

~LeNa~

BlackSephir · Sep 24, 2009, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

There were a few eg the people who were decent enough at the game to not need a blanket NO INTERUPTZ LOL skill.

No there weren't, obviously this dude knows better. And I got classified as a non-pve-er even tho I play it.
AGAIN!

Quote:

Did you guys skip over this post or just don't believe it?

Or maybe it's just that even though the nerf was unintentional it was still a good nerf?

garethporlest18 · Sep 24, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

It's not like MoR is even needed anyways, at least not for 600. Stop 600ing places with interrupts and learn how to handle in game money better so you're not poor.

Eliz Genevieve · Sep 24, 2009, 10:20 PM // 22:20

*sigh*

They nerf it :

'OMG, BASTARDZ HOW CULD THEY NERF MA PRECIOUS MoR? REVERT IT NOWZ, I DEMAND!'

because the change wasn't intended to affect PvE, they split the skill, and then we get:

'Well done Anet. Nice job. Now make sure you revert SF after you nerf it.'

*double sigh*

jonnieboi05 · Sep 24, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

*sigh*

They nerf it :

'OMG, BASTARDZ HOW CULD THEY NERF MA PRECIOUS MoR? REVERT IT NOWZ, I DEMAND!'

because the change wasn't intended to affect PvE, they split the skill, and then we get:

'Well done Anet. Nice job. Now make sure you revert SF after you nerf it.'

*double sigh*

I think you might have misunderstood. The split was supposed to be implemented to begin with. It was not implemented because it "affected" PvE.

~LeNa~

stretchs · Sep 24, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Of course until someone from Anet posts that the "accidental" pve nerf happened, then everyone else is just bs'ing.

As for the updates, wtb some update notes in a marginally timely manner already

jonnieboi05 · Sep 24, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by stretchs

Of course until someone from Anet posts that the "accidental" pve nerf happened, then everyone else is just bs'ing.

As for the updates, wtb some update notes in a marginally timely manner already

If I recall correctly, they already did.

~LeNa~

ousbique · Sep 24, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

1 week to change a skill for a specific pve farm.
1 year for a beginning of answer against bspike which ruining the ladder play.

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vamp08 · Sep 24, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Just before Halloween/Wintersday SF will get nerfed only to be unnerfed the week after the event, mark my words

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If that happens I will officially uninstall the game and declare it as a broken,unbalanced, item grinder-game with a QQ fest of PvP dashed in for zazz.

pinguinius · Sep 24, 2009, 10:43 PM // 22:43

It would be interesting to learn where ANet got the idea to change MoR back. Was it from whiners on forums? Was it the feedback thing on the wiki? Or did they just realize afterward they had made a mistake?

If their new policy about openness includes listening to players, this could be a step in the right (or wrong, depending on who they listen to) direction.

Still Number One · Sep 24, 2009, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Just before Halloween/Wintersday SF will get nerfed only to be unnerfed the week after the event, mark my words

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Except that skill updates are every other month now meaning October and December won't have skill updates and November will/should.

Then again A.net rarely lives up to what they say so you have a chance of being right I suppose.

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Originally Posted by pinguinius

It would be interesting to learn where ANet got the idea to change MoR back. Was it from whiners on forums? Was it the feedback thing on the wiki? Or did they just realize afterward they had made a mistake?

If their new policy about openness includes listening to players, this could be a step in the right (or wrong, depending on who they listen to) direction.

It is most likely a mixture of all the above. You have to remember that when looking at balance issues PvP is at the forefront of thought and not PvE. They don't like to use the skill split not just because of coding reasons but also because it bridges the gap between PvE and PvP even more which is something they have been trying to reduce (although failing). It isn't too hard to believe that A.net really didn't see the impact that the MoR nerf would have in PvE. They typically are not very good at knowing how their skill changes will effect the game and go with a more, rough estimate and trial and error, approach.

While the change was very obvious to anyone who was familiar with farming, A.net obviously didn't think it was that large of an issue because they don't spend as much time playing the game as you do.

sonofthort · Sep 24, 2009, 10:48 PM // 22:48

anet, plz ignore half the ungreatful posters on this forum, and thanks for the update!

upier · Sep 24, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by drkn

if you don't like it, don't do it. do farmers get stronger weapons? do farmers get armors with higher rating than you?

i'm not a farmer myself, i'm fed up with grind and i value gw because you don't have to farm if you don't want to. so why does anyone care about other people farming 24/7? cause they've got five obsidian armors? so what, does it make them better, stronger, unkillable?

they waste their own time and eyes, not yours.
go get a clue.

One problem is that we do not know how much of an influence GW1 "achievements" will have in GW2.
And not only that, we only seem to have a limited window of opportunity to get them.
Which basically means we need to be be able to get tons of money, and get it fast.

And then, there is also the problem of the GW goals being "balanced" with massive farming in mind. Certain goals just aren't obtainable otherwise. And THAT makes farming mandatory!
This isn't like old Ursan or something, where one could complete all areas in an reasonable amount of time even without Ursan. Don't like it, don't use it kinda made sense there. The game wasn't balanced around Ursan, so you could actually disregard it and not bring it into your instance.
I know I did.
There is no reasonable alternative to farming in the game if you want the goals that are balanced with farming in mind. You don't open 10k chests or ID 10k gold items by "playing" the game.
Or max out Lucky/Unlucky.
Or do sweets. Booze. Party.
If one wants to go after those titles - one needs to farm.
There is no way around it.

Seriously, farming IS a huge part of PvE these days.
And as crazy as this sounds - if you don't farm, that means you just aren't experiencing the complete PvE "content".

(And YES, I FULLY agree that PvE would be much better off without this "content".)